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Junie2006
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Veröffentlicht am Mon, Aug 20, 2007 07:28

I have no faith at all at any legal process of investigation or impeachment etc etc. Here in England we have just gone through a ridiculous "sleaze" (Honours for money) investigation against the govt and especially Tony Blair. Same as the investigation into the WMD lies and the death of the scientist a lot of money was spent on all these people beign paid 100s per hour each to investigate over months and months just to say there is no proof and the Prime Minister was innocent. I am convinced the only reason these investigations etc etc are run as a little earner for thos who already have plenty. America has supported terrorists and political regimes if it is in their interests. Lets not be naive. This is about power and who has it not freedom or people's rights. America supported Pol Pot remember? A bigger nutter than even Saddam Hussain. But Cambodia didn't have any oil but a strategic position in the Eastern Communist politics. America also supported and hid Nazi war criminals because their infromation was vital to the Cold War. There is no ideaology in poltics just the need and pusuit of power, and if you are not pursuing it someone else will be. Junie


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Veröffentlicht am Mon, Aug 20, 2007 07:01

Re: Treasure_TTT write: Ok, More bad stuff so let's nip this in the bud right now. Thunder, you may be new here, I don't know. You may be someone under another profile. Either way, you are quite mistaken about Sky (Whythehellnot). She is giving no one a bad name, least of all herself. Not everyone knows her history nor do they need to. As for what she has come out with here, yes, she is correct. Mick, it is pointless. We know. As in proof. Let's leave it at that. ...

T, email me to let me know what you are talking about. thnks


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Veröffentlicht am Sun, Aug 19, 2007 10:51

Ok, More bad stuff so let's nip this in the bud right now. Thunder, you may be new here, I don't know. You may be someone under another profile. Either way, you are quite mistaken about Sky (Whythehellnot). She is giving no one a bad name, least of all herself. Not everyone knows her history nor do they need to. As for what she has come out with here, yes, she is correct. Mick, it is pointless. We know. As in proof. Let's leave it at that. And you my dear Justy. Again, I am not a fanatic. You are so right when you say I did not look up reams of info. As I said before, both sides and sides of sides all put their own spins on things. This is common sense. I am not going to become insensed. I have no patience for this obsessive research. What possible problem has your fanatiscim solved?????? I hate the war. I support the soldiers and the families. I give when and where I can. I think Bush is a narcisstic twit but he is not stupid. But I am not going to foam at the mouth and go rabid over it. And no, my friends with children do not support the war. But they respect their children's choice to join as much as they died inside to see them go. Again, you speak of things you do not know in an arrogant way to support your "side". Spunkets??? You have one hell of a nerve talking about Spunkets!! After all the horrible names and insults, derision, disrespect you heaped upon that man. When I get up north Justy, I shall pick you up and drive you to a VA Hall and let you speak to those gentlemen. You talk your talk to them and let them respond to you in person. Let's hear this debate in person.


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Veröffentlicht am Sun, Aug 19, 2007 09:42

Re: Thunderthighs20 write: What we have here is a Beotch who starts and spreads crap and then denies that she is the one doing it. What a loser. Barf! whythehellnot, getthehelloff, cuz you are making women look stoopid, you pendejo! Oh, and....you have a great day, as well.

And just how would you know this? your profile is new, no pics and this is your first comment on here. so tell us who you are and were before this profile. seems your the one that has issues. or could be your defending yourself. all in all, your not too bright.


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Veröffentlicht am Sun, Aug 19, 2007 08:20

Re: justyforya write: TTT, Funny but with all the facts I posted and the stuff not once have you ever address any of it. The lies, the pre-invasion intel the Downing Street Memo, none it. You just pretent things will get better. Perhaps your friends, the ones you say would smack me "believe in the mission". Frankly, I stop believing in fairy tale about 45 years ago. People can believe any shitt they what but it don't make it true. Not once has anyone [with the exception of Spuncket] has ever countered any of the tons of facts I presented.

I'm with you here, justy. If this invasion was so important, where is the constitutionally mandated Declaration of War by Congress? Attacking another country without THAT authority is a criminal act, and sorry to say, those who swore to uphold, preserve and protect the constitution and yet, still attack another country without that mandated authority, are technically, criminals (since "ignorance of the law is no excuse") as are those who support the criminality, in the very same manner as those who would murder and steal from you. That is why there are such statutes concerning accessory after the fact, combinations, aiding and abetting, conspiracy, etc. The law of agency is applicable here, as well: as the agent/representative acts, so it is attributable to the principal (the rest of us). For those of you who believe in the invasion, why are you not pressuring your representatives to follow the law and pass the Declaration of War? That would, at least, make this invasion legal (if not, still immoral). If you have not urged your rep. to pass that Act of Congress, then YOU promote lawlessness and have no right, then, to complain about any crime committed against you. In my current opinion, Americans' freedoms and liberties have not been in direct jeopardy from other nations since the Civil War. (yes, a state is a nation)


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Veröffentlicht am Fri, Aug 17, 2007 16:29

TTT, Funny but with all the facts I posted and the stuff not once have you ever address any of it. The lies, the pre-invasion intel the Downing Street Memo, none it. You just pretent things will get better. Perhaps your friends, the ones you say would smack me "believe in the mission". Frankly, I stop believing in fairy tale about 45 years ago. People can believe any shitt they what but it don't make it true. Not once has anyone [with the exception of Spuncket] has ever countered any of the tons of facts I presented. Not funny but just like Nam, in the end this iraq bull shiit don't mean nothing.. cause in the end, just like nam, they will have all died for nothing but lies and greed. And.. I never shoved anything down your throat. If I write something and you respond I reply. Simple as that. You can shoot the messager but that will not change the facts.


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Veröffentlicht am Fri, Aug 17, 2007 12:07

Justy, you obviously didn't read the article at the link I provided, nor did you even bother to google WMD Iraq or you'd have found the answers to the questions you are presenting me. There is not only corroborating military intel regrding the flights and truck movements, but also the word of the Chief of the Inspection team (try reading his book). All of this information is online - transcripts of interviews with those parties as well. You simply cannot believe everything that Fox, CNN, NBC, etc., says just because they claim their source knows. Hell, none of them or their experts even knows what really happened to the KAL airliner, although they got the general public to buy their bull, which at the time was a good thing. The fact I may have some knowledge of classified information about a subject in now way gives me leave to simply tell you about that information or how I got it, either. You have obviously never felt obligated to serve your country, you just want to blame the President for your failures. You have the right to bitch because people like myself went out there and made sure you were safe while you were bitching. You're 50 years old. Either pick up a rifle and help us fight or get the hell out of our way and support us while we keep your ass safe by doing a job we love to do. Either way, quit bitching about how 'you'll show him by impeaching him'. I suppose you'd rather have some hothead in office who'd just push the button without having facts behind the decision. It's people like you that caused the Vietnam vets to be treated like 2nd class citizens, and made sure that they couldn't fire without being shot at first. Bitch, bitch, bitch, about how we are wrong to do this and that, but boy howdy you sure the hell like us when we save your butt or you need protection. Maybe you should join the WBC, I'm sure they'd love your help destroying the morale of our forces by badmouthing their Commander-in-Chief. Thanks for nothing.


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Veröffentlicht am Fri, Aug 17, 2007 11:41

Re: whythehellnot write: ysqeye, you know i really don't give a shit what you nor anyone else on here thinks about me.some have meet me before,and i know i don't even do half the shit most do on here.and don't care too. if you life is all about getting drunk and layed more power too you.. i would rather go ride for a 8 hr ride and have fun on my bike then put up with the bullshit on here... and the spreading crap on here,sorry not me...i just go by what i see and know....so dick weed go get a life......... have a great day

What we have here is a Beotch who starts and spreads crap and then denies that she is the one doing it. What a loser. Barf! whythehellnot, getthehelloff, cuz you are making women look stoopid, you pendejo! Oh, and....you have a great day, as well.


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Veröffentlicht am Fri, Aug 17, 2007 10:52

Re: Justy, this is where your naivete comes through loud and clear. This "right wing propoganda" is no different than the "left wing's". You seem to think it is all one sided. Don't be so innocent. Politics is a dirty business. Period. To what degree and where that is applied may vary but no one is untainted. If you want him impeached, go do the footwork, get the petitions signed. It still won't stop the war. That is the saddest part. It won't stop the war. It will take months for an impeachment process. Probably longer than it will for the next election. If you want accountability, well go for it. Keep at it. That won't stop the war either. That won't bring back the dead. I am not saying you should not persue what you believe in but stop trying to shove it down my throat. I have several friends who have children over there. I know their fears, I pray they come home. These people handle it very stoicly. They would smack you into next week if you spoke to them the way you do here and it is their kids that are over there. Why can't you get that??? You say we don't get it. Lord Justy, you are a very tiring person. justyforya write: Oh, and besides demanding IMPEACHMENT and accountability for all the lies and miss directions this administration his perpetrated on Americans, we citizens must read and say inform. Take to time to learn the truth. When people start spewing out the right-wing lies and propaganda, stand up and correct them. Recite the past lies, the spin, and the consistently move targets of this illegal invasion and occupation. These are dark days in America due largely to the corporate controlled media. Americans are now receiving BS and pro-war indoctrination because America's weapons manufacturers are now controlling the US media. Look at GE holding. Individuals must now work at learning the truth because most of it ain't heard on the nightly news or 90% of all talk radio.



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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:19

Oh, and besides demanding IMPEACHMENT and accountability for all the lies and miss directions this administration his perpetrated on Americans, we citizens must read and say inform. Take to time to learn the truth. When people start spewing out the right-wing lies and propaganda, stand up and correct them. Recite the past lies, the spin, and the consistently move targets of this illegal invasion and occupation. These are dark days in America due largely to the corporate controlled media. Americans are now receiving BS and pro-war indoctrination because America's weapons manufacturers are now controlling the US media. Look at GE holding. Individuals must now work at learning the truth because most of it ain't heard on the nightly news or 90% of all talk radio.


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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:45

TTT, Try demanding IMPEACHMENT! I write senators and selected house members all the time. If more people demanded IMPEACHMENT it would happen. But, the it's not my family or friends over there that is killing the best of America and is destroying our Military. I'm sick of the just wait until Bush is out of office BS. Shame on you.


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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:37

falcon335 write: Jeez, some of you read it but don't get it.

Yeah right, with all the satellites flying over Iraq and all the special ops going on before the invasion, are we now suppose to believe one Iraqi general's statement that WMDs were flown out of Iraq... Does anyone else back the so-called Christ General's story? And if that was true, anyone with the smallest amount of common sense or mil experience would be asking the following questions: 1) Why hasn't Bush going after those WMDs? 2) If Saddam did have those WMDs why [when we initially invaded Iraq], weren't Delta Force or Special Ops sent in to secure those WMDs. Cheney stated we knew where those WMDs were before the invasion. So if we knew and kept an eye on them why weren't they secured? So why did that General Georges Sada make that claim? Could it be his book deal,'Saddam's Secrets', or his speaking fees? So falcon, I imagine you don't believe the Downing Street Memo, or Clark, or Ritter, or Blix. On October 8, 2004, both Cheney and Bush stated we now know Saddam did not have WMDs. I guess you don't believe them either. They both stated that after perusing the Charles Duelfer Report. He was the CIA's top weapons inspector and stated Saddam had no WMDs. That kind-of blows away your Sada claims eh? Cheney, Bush, and Rummy stated Saddam had connections and supported Al Qaeda, remember? Only six months ago Cheney was still lying about Saddam's connection to Al Qaeda, remember? A year and a half ago 80% of the military believe Saddam was responsible or supported the 911 attack. And where did that idea come from? One last question for you Falcon, where do you get your news and information? To paraphrase you, it really seems you don't get it. Don't worry dude I will clue you in on the truth. Oh as of today, US GI's KIA in Iraq is now over 3,700. Mission accomplished eh?


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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Aug 16, 2007 11:12

Justy, You are bordering on the absurd. All your fanatic ranting changes NOTHING. Bush is not going to pull the troops. No matter how badly the entire U.S. population might want that. So yeah, wait till he is out. If my child were the last to die, what could I do??? What could I do?????? NOTHING!!!! I would die inside. My heart would forever be dead. That would have been my baby. My blood. My child. My ONLY consolation, if you could call it that, would be that my child had signed up for the military voluntarily knowing full well he/she might very well die. Small comfort. But, I would be proud that my son/dtr made a choice and followed through. A choice so difficult beyond reason. I am more of a realist than you seem to think Justy. Much more than you are. I am quite sure of that. Now, instead of running off to what parliament said, we were talking about Colin Powell. Want to know why I remember that so clearly???? It was the last day I saw my fiance alive. We watched it in the hotel and discussed that very statement on how we agreed with what he said. Actually I had said the same thing a few minutes before Powell said it. And then we had to leave because I had to catch a plane. He died 3 days later. So don't fucking question me if I mean THE COLIN POWELL SAID THAT. YEAH HE DID. Justy, you might want to channel this energy into something positive. Posting this stuff here certainly doesn't get the troops out of Iraq. HELLO!! And your post about China and Walmart. Why not post the whole quote? It sounded more like sarcasm on the speakers part. If I am wrong, so be it. But it is taken out of context so if possible post the whole thing. What would you do if YOUR child died over there? Forsake your wife and your other children and dishonor your son's memory, the son who openly wanted to serve???? That was HIS choice. That woman's grief is understandable, but she disrespects and defiles her son's memory, his character, by her me, me, me, behavior. Enough Justy.


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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Aug 15, 2007 15:24

Jeez, some of you read it but don't get it. And for the record, I don't have to justify any decision the President makes. You want justification, ask him or his office, Iraq supported terrorism as a way to get their point across (whatever point it may be at the time). I never stated Al Queida was in or sponsored by Iraq. In fact, I stated the invasion had nothing at all to do with 9-11. You want to talk to me about a clue? Here, have one regarding the WMD's you claim weren't in Iraq. [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571595/posts[/url]


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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Aug 15, 2007 14:49

Saddam had his palaces and stupid monuments to himself but the actual country was destroyed and poor becuae of all the sanctions. I think I would just have offered ten mollion pounds and a American passports for the first person who shot him and all their family. Then his own guard would have turnd round and shot him. The few who start wars and campaigns of hate are never the ones who suffer. It is always the innocent people whether Iraqis or people working in the Towers or people going to buy fish and chips in Ulster. I wish the polticians and terrorists would kill each other and leave the rest of us out of it. I suggest getting the DNA of the person you want dead and developing germ warfare so that nasty killer germs will only seek out and kill the one who's DNA fingerprint it has. I think you got the new to day that the fatality rate is now higher than for the years of the Vietnam War. I cannot tell you the number of mistakes that have been made from start to finish. Could have been out ages ago except for the idiots. Junie


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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Aug 15, 2007 13:27

Re: Treasure_TTT write: Colin Powell then said, "..though we did not find any that does not mean they are not there." Maybe he obtained info that made him change his mind. One thing you fail to admit is that these terrorists are backed by (seemingly) enormous supplies of money and sophisticated weaponry. Do not be so selectively naive Justy.

Yeah, those WMDs in Iraq must be hiding with the pink Elephants. Remember the Downing Street Memo- the actual minutes of the July 23, 2002 meeting [transcribed by Matthew Rycroft] during a gathering of many of the British Prime Minister's senior ministers on? It was published by DAVID MANNING in The Sunday Times on May 1, 2005. Google it. "C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, JUSTIFIED BY THE CONJUNCTION OF TERRORISM AND WMD. BUT THE INTELLIGENCE AND FACTS WERE BEING FIXED AROUND THE POLICY. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action." Yeah, the Terrorist have been and are still backed by Saudia dirty money. The 911 terrorist were funded by Dubai. The same Dubai which Cheney's Halliburton has now moved its corp offices too. Of course, everyone knows Cheney was CEO of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. All one has to due is follow the money trail of Bush and his group of traitors and criminals. Now TTT, you keep stating don't worry and wait for Bush to get out of office. So if your kid was the last to die in the attempted Iraqi Oil steal because the rest of America didn't want to get involved what would you say?


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I am not saying Bush invaded Iraq because of terrorists. Justy posts these things and I reply to specifics. I would question the existance of Iraqi terrorists. I would bet they are out there. And Saddam was not poor Junie. Not by a long shot. The country may have been. Every country run by a dictator is usually bled dry. It is the dictator and those he deems worthwhile to his own cause who roll in dough. I get the feeling you both seem to think that I have no sympathy for the Iraqi people. Of course I do. My grandfather was from Beirut. I know I have family there. I don't know these people but I am sure there are a zillion of them. Beirut has had the shit bombed out of it. Now, that is my flesh and blood. You think I don't care about that? Yes, of course I do. But I am NOT going to run over there and try and run down my family tree. My anger at what happens over there does not change it. All your ranting and raving about Bush does not change it. Just vote for the candidate you feel is best in 2008. Because if you have learned anything by now you must have learned that Bush is gonna do what he wants. He listens only to himself. Again, go through the video archives, I guarantee Justy, you will find that Colin Powell did say that.


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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Aug 15, 2007 01:41

The terrorists are backed but not by saddam who was too broke and pss poor. Remember the terrorists were Saudis and the Ideas came from the radical Muslim thinkers in Egypt. The problem does not come from pss poor countreis such as Iraq and Pakistan which are easy to pick on. The middle east does not want to be run over by American and Western ideas and there is big commercial and econonoic interests in causing havoc with you. And eberyone knows there were never any MWD and it was all a lie from the beginning to go inot Iraq and finish Gearge Bush seniors business in the early 90s. But you all ahd the John Wayne delusion that it owul be a piece of pss and it would all be over in a weeek or a few months. Everyone would welcome you with open arms and love America. It turned out excatly as everyone with any brains had said it would turn out. But we have to make the decisions which are right for ur furture and everyone's future now. We cannot go back. We have put our hand to the till and we must finishe the job. To leave means to have a greater mess later on. But no one loves you for this and everyone hates you and you will be bombed and killed as much as possible before your leave. But this is politics its about power and world domination and influence not about people being nice to each other. If Justy thinks there is one person in power who is going to change thisround he is wrong. its a mess with a child screaming at the adults but nothaving a clue himself how to put it right. Armchair crticism and politics. America went in on a Lie and everyone knows it. But also America cannot be standimng around waiting to be on the end of what the Islamists and fanatics decide to do next. Didn't say it would be easy but you could say it was necessary to curtail terrorists at source. Junie


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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Aug 15, 2007 00:18

Re: Yes I am, about 4 years ago when they had the "hearings" over the search for those weapons and the head of the U.N. had just finished speaking. The next speaker, I don't recall who it was, said that no weapons of mass destruction of any kind were found. Colin Powell then said, "..though we did not find any that does not mean they are not there." I know who Colin Powell is. I remember thinking that I felt the same way all along. I am not a Bush apologist Justy. As I said before, I am simply not a rabid fanatic. Go check some audio visual archives and find the tapes. You will hear Colin Powell say those words. This was long after 2001. Maybe he obtained info that made him change his mind. One thing you fail to admit is that these terrorists are backed by (seemingly) enormous supplies of money and sophisticated weaponry. Do not be so selectively naive Justy. justyforya write: TTT, Are you quoting Colin Powell? Colin Powell in Cairo February 24, 2001: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors." Condoleeza Rice, July 2001: "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." Remember Blix, the UN chief WMD inspector? On January 23, 2003, Blix stated his UN inspectors were in Iraq and have access to any location with Iraq. He then asked the Bush where the WMDs were. Ritter also stated Saddam had no WMDs. Bush ordered the UN inspectors out of immediately before the Iraq invasion. It's funny how people don't know or 'forget' the facts. Now a question to you TTT, why are you such a big Bush apologist? I would think a smart gal like you would be interested in seeking and preaching the truth.



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Veröffentlicht am Tue, Aug 14, 2007 19:07

TTT, Are you quoting Colin Powell? Colin Powell in Cairo February 24, 2001: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors." Condoleeza Rice, July 2001: "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." Remember Blix, the UN chief WMD inspector? On January 23, 2003, Blix stated his UN inspectors were in Iraq and have access to any location with Iraq. He then asked the Bush where the WMDs were. Ritter also stated Saddam had no WMDs. Bush ordered the UN inspectors out of immediately before the Iraq invasion. It's funny how people don't know or 'forget' the facts. Now a question to you TTT, why are you such a big Bush apologist? I would think a smart gal like you would be interested in seeking and preaching the truth.


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