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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Jan 06, 2011 20:33

Enjoying politics now-a-days…. Nope, I feel Obama sold us liberals out. He is just another Bush light. Torturing, we are still doing it; Guantanamo Bay, still open for biz; Killing Afghanis, no problem for the Obama. No one said life is fair, and it’s not.


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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Jan 13, 2011 07:57

Quoting justyforya:

Quoting Junie... "Been reading about the social reformers recently in the 19th century who turned it round for human suffrage, votes, ending child labour and bringing in schools and health and better housing. They helped make me feel more positive. They were up against it. Even my own town MP argued about the necessity of child labour down to 3 years old working down mines for 12 hours a day and breaking their health in factories as mines and factories could not succeed without them." ... but the Cons like Heretic will deny or wish all these 'LIBERAL' reforms never happened. Yeah, Heretic I'm still waiting for your 'story' about all the great contributions the Cons have made to society.


Traditionally and even now in party power politics Con represent privilege, monied class as originally fought for the Divine Right of Kings in Civil war time. Liberals came from the Free church and presbyterian social concience background and Labour came from the working class. This still has stuck as the rigid positions. Despite most people being a mixture of beliefs and politics. Socialists and communists forgot that the working man does not want to be equal and everything run and given to him by govt (already knows what dependency on another feels like. Resting your life and your wife and your home and house on someone else's whim) He/she wants to be able to advance themselves, get better and do things which get them up the ladder on their own and own intiative. So many working class when they advanced and got their house and care and better life started voting Tory as they did not want it to be taken away from them. Also socialist forgot that many working class people were very morally based and even religious and had a sense of community and would not hurt anyone or take from another. Not even a rich one. Liberals lost it as they could not decide where they stand and usually come out with unclear muddled politics. Socialism is an "ideal" so many middle class and upper class would vote Labour, more than working class. The fact remains that the reason Conservatives have won overridding majorities is because they have been voted for by the majority of the working poor. It does not help that Labour has been such a rotten bunch of shit. And in 1997 with New Labour and the courting of the City Mandelsshon was asked by journalists concerned about the abanonment of working class people what as going to happen and what Labour's plans were for their traditional voter and reason (and they give them their money through Unions. Labour never said no to that or sent the money back) Mandelsohn said "Labour is no longer about the working class. We have moved on and we suggest they do too. We no longer represent them and don't give a fuck about them." Now they are running back and coming back with a lot of half cocked policies trying to grab the working class vote. But it is a working class which is in their head and do not exist in reality. They assume we are thicko, dumbed down idiots who are just interested in beer,reading gossip papers and neo porn mags and going down the dogs and horses every week. There prejudice is just as insulting as the Tories. Absolutely incredible the politics over here at the moment. OF course everyone is up in arms and I am active right in the middle too. But I am also banned and blacklisted by Labour as I stood up and asked "Shouldn't Labour sort itself out and its corruption and betrayal of its members and vulnerable before it preaches to anyone else>" So I was silenced and removed. Been removed froma few meetings so far. usually standing up and pointing out that the ones running the opposition are rubbish too and reminding assembled of their history of corruption. And meetings are being organised on "Closed Shop" agenda. Many newbies would nto recognise this. But this is when Unions and Left and Militant run so called open meetings but they are organised to have a managed agenda and only their own regulars and members are allowed to speak and a lot of set questions and agreed agenda where everyone agrees and noisily goes "Rah Rah Yes Yes." Except me. And in the midst of raised agreement and feeling then start dropping in ideas of Leftist values such as "Smash the rich." "Smash the businesses and shops and boycott them." "Rise up and Overcome" and "We are no longer happy to have peaceful protest. We demand Direct Action and mroe violence and abuse and assualt is needed." In a Nuremberg Ralley kind of atmosphere it si surpsising how easy and quickly these unacceptable values and ideas are adopted. Except by me who stand up is shouted down, banned and removed with the socialist offer of me needing my face glassed in on the way out by hired Leftist thugs. So I am on the side of a politics which has a centrl core beliefs and policies which looks after the rich and entrepreneurs and those who have talents and can get ahead. But also make sure there is a stable structure and core set up that can help and uphold the country and its peoples in good time and bad. Some countries purposely put aside a 3rd of their revenue for the bad times. Some put all their money on the horses or stocks and shares and latest nag. and many city entrepreneurs would sacrifice the nation, the country and the whole of its welfare and people ont he backs on their greed. I understand both Conservative and Liberal. Pity that those near the centre still end up far apart when they should all go for core values and an unshakeable permanent structure that will look after the commerce, country and people in good times and bad. In the Big Crash of 1930s stops and balances were put in so that the market could never ever crash in the future. This continued. and crashes did not happen regularly. Then Monetarism and Milton Freedman persuaded people to take the checks and balances off and trust the market to automatically balance and regulate itself. And thus we end up where we are again. Love You Both. Stop taking shots at each other. We are all in the middle because we love and care about the things we love and care about and want to protect them from those who don't. XXX Great Big Kissy Hug to You Both JunieXXX


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Veröffentlicht am Mon, Jan 10, 2011 20:25

Quoting Junie... "Been reading about the social reformers recently in the 19th century who turned it round for human suffrage, votes, ending child labour and bringing in schools and health and better housing. They helped make me feel more positive. They were up against it. Even my own town MP argued about the necessity of child labour down to 3 years old working down mines for 12 hours a day and breaking their health in factories as mines and factories could not succeed without them." ... but the Cons like Heretic will deny or wish all these 'LIBERAL' reforms never happened. Yeah, Heretic I'm still waiting for your 'story' about all the great contributions the Cons have made to society.


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Veröffentlicht am Mon, Jan 10, 2011 20:13

Heretic dude... It’s time to take off that Tinfoil hat. Obama has a 50% approval rating. Bush's approval rate was like in the teens when he left office. So who’s A-hole do you pull your so called facts out of? And your so called National Deficit 'facts'... You are quoting the cons Deficit based on GDP, which is different than the actual Debt. The actual debt [adjusted] for Bush's last year budget - (2009), was $8,218 Billion. Obama's first year budget debt (2010) is $8,477 Billion [adjusted]. I know you ain't too bright so let me inform you that Obama's didn't supply a budget in 2009; that was Bush's Budget. You see, before the Chimp left office, he and Congress approved the 2009 Budget. The Health-Care BS is just that. Obama soldout the Public option to gain the support of the GOP Cons, but like all good Cons, they didn't offer up their support, after they cried and cried forcing the removal of the great idea, the Public option. Again Heretic, you proved proof of your ignorance... but at least you are trying, so I will give you one thumb up.


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Veröffentlicht am Mon, Jan 10, 2011 02:00

Yep just checked. and wrote: HaHa BK removed my comment. Never mind. Too late. Took them a few weeks to figure it was here. So Slow..


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Veröffentlicht am Mon, Jan 10, 2011 01:55

Quoting justyforya:

Enjoying politics now-a-days…. Nope, I feel Obama sold us liberals out. He is just another Bush light. Torturing, we are still doing it; Guantanamo Bay, still open for biz; Killing Afghanis, no problem for the Obama. No one said life is fair, and it’s not.


He's weaker than he thought he would be, and those not in power do not realise what they can and cannot do until they are in power. Then as you know the real big wheels power and money says "Mr President - there is something you need to know. You think you are in charge. Well guess what?" He has lost his momentum and personal focus. Not sure the last time I heard Obama come out with a straight out clear statement. Anyway I cannot believe Sarah Palin is the only considered possibility. But knowing what an X-Factor/America's Got Talent joke politics has become I am not surprised at anything. We have Cameron here. Actually said the other day to a factory worker that the factory worker's taxes were there to pay for his (Cameron) and his employers children's future but not his own. Talk about true blue colors. Comic book politicians every day. Been reading about the social reformers recently in the 19th century who turned it round for human suffrage, votes, ending child labour and bringing in schools and health and better housing. They helped make me feel more positive. They were up against it. Even my own town MP argued about the necessity of child labour down to 3 years old working down mines for 12 hours a day and breaking their health in factories as mines and factories could not succeed without them. There were weak there were strong then. The moral and the immoral and those ready to exploit and use. But good men and women got us through against much opposition. Reading of pioneering people in the past give me hope and confidence for the future. But this mess is not going to end tomorrow - and there is no one who is going to be able to make it end tomorrow. So any delusions that Mr Fantastique is out there is just gullible. "May you live in interesting times" Chinese proverb. JunieXXX Got a message from BK this morning saying they had deleted a blog. Cannot find what they have deleted but probably message to newbie advising her to try dancing in another club.


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Veröffentlicht am Mon, Jan 10, 2011 01:54

Quoting Heretic:

Oh, but he didn't sell you out....he really did introduce you to trickle up poverty. he passed a health care that the nation cannot afford. it will not be effective until 2013, if it ever does, but you are paying taxes for it right now, and the fun part of that is that even if your health care is covered by your employer, YOU pay taxes on the money he spends for it, as YOUR OWN taxable income....and you mussent forget that he increased the deficit by a greater amount than the collective sum of all previous presidens combined......can we all say "yay liberals? "....LOL..... there is a silver lining to that clowd though. Obama has now realized the greatest drop in popularity of any US president in history. he has guaranteed us all that the presidential election in 2012 will commence 8 years of conservative leadership, and end to trickle up poverty, and the beginning of the regrowth of our economy


Hi Heretic. Growing you hair for peace? Are you going to grown a ZZ-top Peacnik beard as well? See you are in a relationship. So glad and hope you are happy. Blessings to your daughter as well. She must be getting into being a beautiful teenager now. XXXJunie.


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Veröffentlicht am Sun, Jan 09, 2011 23:23

Oh, but he didn't sell you out....he really did introduce you to trickle up poverty. he passed a health care that the nation cannot afford. it will not be effective until 2013, if it ever does, but you are paying taxes for it right now, and the fun part of that is that even if your health care is covered by your employer, YOU pay taxes on the money he spends for it, as YOUR OWN taxable income....and you mussent forget that he increased the deficit by a greater amount than the collective sum of all previous presidens combined......can we all say "yay liberals? "....LOL..... there is a silver lining to that clowd though. Obama has now realized the greatest drop in popularity of any US president in history. he has guaranteed us all that the presidential election in 2012 will commence 8 years of conservative leadership, and end to trickle up poverty, and the beginning of the regrowth of our economy


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