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Veröffentlicht am Fri, Jan 06, 2006 04:55

As to the NYC thing, I was wondering what to do with myself when the partying starts...its why I wasn't going in on Friday. Nice to know that i am not the only 'quitter'!Maybe I will rethink the Friday part!.



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Veröffentlicht am Fri, Jan 06, 2006 01:01

Ladycat-I too will pray for all our children and I am so glad there are a few Clean and sober going to NYC. Bless you honey and look forward to meeting in NYC...Lori

  


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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Jan 05, 2006 09:38

I am working my way on 13 years clean and sober and the toughest thing I have had to face is what the disease has been doing to my son these last few years. He is currently incarcerated for poor decision making while drunk. (As if there really was any decision making possible while drunk!). The only good thing is that NOW he has seen first hand the consequences of his actions and finally HEARS with an open heart and mind just what I have been saying all these years. I have found that the most powerful tool is my daily prayer for him and my ability to accept and be the best role model possible. On a daily basis I hand him over to my HP and visualize him being placed in His hands. Any way, just my personal experience for what is worth. Hey Tree and BabyGirl see you in NYC?

  


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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Jan 05, 2006 04:15

Thanks treecutter,
Look forward to meeting you in NY.
Lori



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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Jan 05, 2006 02:49

Hi Babygirl
Congadulations on your clean time.And yes this disease is passed on to family members, yet i have always felt that we are born into it because we have some lessons to learn in that classroom of the earth school.
As to sponsoring our kids , it is a tough one. My 17 year old has been going to twelve step meetings off and on through the high school. I really have never had many conversations with her about her usage, because I know that each of us have our own HP, and respect her reovery . I also must say that 'practicing these princepals in all our affairs" is harder at home than anywhere, at least for me!LMAO, So it is wise of you to let go .Be well!
Tree



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Jan 04, 2006 19:18

Treecutter-Thank you for your input, it is a disease and it gives our children a stronger possibility of becoming addicts or alcoholics, my daughter celebrates 2 months clean today, if it wasn't for my being in AA I'm not sure she would be here today. The only hard thing was seeing my own child in the throws of addiction and knowing I had to hand her over to someone else and seperate myself from the role of mother/sponsor, can't be done. Took her to a few meetings and now she has a good sponsor and it's not me!!! It was hard at first but I remember all the tools I've learned over the last 16 years and she has her own higher power...I pray for her daily and I'm glad I could be a power oif example. Thanks everyone for this site and remember iin order to keep your sobriety you need to give it away!!!God Bless!!!



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Jan 04, 2006 18:16

Congrats Coot...My sobriety date is 5/20/89...wouldn't even think of riding anything unless I was clean and sober...Glad I looked at this site..

  


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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Jan 04, 2006 08:54

Congrats Coot!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Jan 04, 2006 08:34

alright Coot!!!



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Jan 04, 2006 06:03

Thanks



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Jan 04, 2006 06:01

Hey Coot

  


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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Jan 04, 2006 04:53

Good Job Coot on 17 years



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Veröffentlicht am Tue, Jan 03, 2006 18:40

Hi, Everyone

Happy New Year and lets stay Sober One Day At A time. Sorry I have not replied much been very busy. I also celebrated 17 years sober on the 21st of Dec.

Coot

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Veröffentlicht am Fri, Dec 30, 2005 10:37

Angel,
I have never heard that story before but that is very nice, I think I would have used that story a lot when counseling. It is stories like that can get people to look at how to approach life differently, it can make all the difference in the world sometimes.
Spyder



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Veröffentlicht am Fri, Dec 30, 2005 07:05

Harleys1Angel write:
mspyder write:
Angel,
Thank you,
October I resigned from my job that I had been at for 22 years, and in total I had been an alcohol and drug counselor for 29 years. So, I know there is more than one way to deal such a distructive addiction. I think a key part is our spiritual condition, so how we achieve that is the journey we choose to undertake.
Spyder

I just want to say "thank you" for all you have done in this job....just in-case not very many people have....your efforts, no matter how small made a difference in someone's life...i bet you had your share of "burn-out" days...but we all do....it reminds me of a story, goes something like this.....

There was a guy walking on the beach who was watching a man throw the starfish back into the sea that washed up on shore where they would die...the guy approached the man and said "what your doing doesn't matter, why bother there are thousands of starfish washed up on shore..you'll never be able to throw them all back!" The man looked at him, picked up another starfish and said, "it matters to this one."


so true angel---if we can make a difference in 1 person/childs life--we are a success



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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Dec 29, 2005 23:43

mspyder write:
Angel,
Thank you,
October I resigned from my job that I had been at for 22 years, and in total I had been an alcohol and drug counselor for 29 years. So, I know there is more than one way to deal such a distructive addiction. I think a key part is our spiritual condition, so how we achieve that is the journey we choose to undertake.
Spyder

I just want to say "thank you" for all you have done in this job....just in-case not very many people have....your efforts, no matter how small made a difference in someone's life...i bet you had your share of "burn-out" days...but we all do....it reminds me of a story, goes something like this.....

There was a guy walking on the beach who was watching a man throw the starfish back into the sea that washed up on shore where they would die...the guy approached the man and said "what your doing doesn't matter, why bother there are thousands of starfish washed up on shore..you'll never be able to throw them all back!" The man looked at him, picked up another starfish and said, "it matters to this one."



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Veröffentlicht am Sun, Dec 25, 2005 22:38

Very well said treecutter.... you know yer stuff! It is always nice to hear someone talk real recovery.



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Veröffentlicht am Sun, Dec 25, 2005 17:32

Harleys1Angel write:
OK Seeme....Here I go..**Now opening a can of worms**

It is not a disease...you can't catch it...you are not born with it...it is a self-control issue...do you think the drug addict has a disease too? It is called an addiction...the cigarette smoker has the same disease then....show me the cells in our body that are mutating to give you this "drinking too much alcohol disease"....like I said...be free g/f you are not an alcoholic and they are not working on a cure...I went to AA and NA myself...they have lots of good points and have helped a great number of people. But I wont stay in a victim type mentality or make excuses for my bad behavior. Period.




Ah this indeed is a subject that I know very wel. I am a recovering addict. i have obsessive compulsive personality issues. I was born into a diseased family. I believe in karma and reincarnation. I know that it was a choice I made prior to birth. I am not a victim.
Ther is much evidence that when one uses drugs(alcohol is a drug) for long periods of time, actual physical and physiological changes do occur.
.. if you don't know about this, i would suggest that you do a websearch and read of the many REAL studies that have been done.
And I also agree that this is a "dis~ease" of the spirit.And that the real reason that th 12 step proggrams work. is that they are a map to a spiritual wholeness.
And I can assure you that ther are many among us who have found that spiritaul awakening as a result of the steps.there are those however who as you say,
...... stay in a victim type mentality or make excuses for my bad behavior. Period.
Those are the dry drunks. Being clean and sober is not recovery. I know many aholes who have time but NOT recovery.
The first indication of working the steps is accepting responsability for our selves and not making excuses for bad behaviour.
I can tell you that the process of true recovery is not easy. It takes brutal honesty and much soul searching. It is far easier to just find and follow someone elses rules (like a religion) than to dig so deep into our thoughts and emotions so as to discover what love is and share it with others. For me the eveventh & twelfth step is what it is about!
Step 11
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Step 12
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to others, and to practice these principles in all our affairs (paraphrase).
Along the way of life, I have long ago recognised the Devine Plan . It is evident to me that evrything that hapens is what is supposed to happen!
tree



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Veröffentlicht am Sun, Dec 25, 2005 16:54

Harleys1Angel write:
I'm glad to see both of you here...One thing that always bugs me is people who have quit drinking and they still call themselves alcoholics...what a shame! For those people.....If you have quit drinking, you are no longer an alcoholic...end of story! Be free already!

Ever heard, "Re-hab's for quitters?"

  


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Veröffentlicht am Sun, Dec 25, 2005 15:17

setsail98 write:
Angel,
As an odd side note and twist.... they indeed have been working on a cure for it for years. Just check on line even...

But I say.... Yeah when

I know my family is riddled with alcoholics...my uncles have been responsible for many "near misses" and have the scars to prove it...I drink, occasionally, socially, but when I pop the top on ANYthing, be it beer, wine, whatever, the keys to the car and, when I have one, the bike, are put away for the evening!

I'm proud of everyone here for you're choice to better your life! I know it's hard, and I know it took and still takes lots of work! God's blessings to each of you!!!!

Setsail, welcome to BK...I do hope you'll stay around for a bit..you're just right down the road from me neighbor!

  


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