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Veröffentlicht am Thu, May 18, 2006 00:39

LadyDragon write:
DB...where are you getting your information..and what does
"most" mean??? Do you have first hand knowledge of this or are you taking your information from hearsay and themedia? I live in an area where this happens on a daily basis....I can name some companies...Pilgrims Pride, Tyson Foods, and Electrolux are just a few.....these places ALL hire illegals with bogus documentation.

I have had illegals as clients and this is how they do it.

I live in the central valley of California, (the bread basket of the world) We have hundreds of thousands of hispanic immigrants here.

I get my information from the Department of Justice statistics. I have first hand knowledge because part of my job was to enter those stats into the system. Not only that but I also worked the gang unit and had to deal with auto statistics as well..

Not only that, I spent 12 hours a day in the system and I know what nationality the inmates were. So yeah I guess you could say I am pretty educated on this subject..

Im not trying to sound like a know it all and I respect your opinions but you have to be seeing it through a narrow lense for you to believe what you wrote.



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, May 17, 2006 14:03

Pay Taxes! Speak English! Give an American a job!

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Veröffentlicht am Wed, May 17, 2006 09:09

My experience on the Tax Issue..and hiring..

If they have false documentation like ss #, ect..
THe employer records this info and files with the state as a new hire for Unemployment purposes and Child support purposes.. At least they are required to.. Every employer is to record this info on Form I9... Proof of citizenship or legal work permits.. In 15 yrs of doing this NO one from the GOV. has ever requested this info..LOL.. Taxes for Fica, Med, Fed., state are witheld and paid to the agency monthly.. Employers usually are notified if the SS# and Name do not match- A letter is mailed (usually 2-yrs after the fact) to the employer.. Nothing usually comes about from this, cause mostly the Employees-Illegals are long gone and cant be found.. WEll. I cant see them fileing a tax return either.. Normally they claim 5-10 exemptions to minimize the withholdings to begin with.. THey pay taxes if employer withheld and reported them.. For most usually just Fica/medicare.. THats bout it

THis is my experience on this...



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, May 17, 2006 07:21

LadyDragon write:


<< If you work in America "YOU MUST PAY TAX." All Americans pay tax, and if you work here and Earn American Dollars you MUST PAY like the rest of us. "CITIZEN OR NOT you MUST PAY TAXES."

They DO pay taxes dear......they get fake documentation and get jobs and the companies hold out taxes~~~~just like they do with you and me.....only difference is~~~~The companies can not pay the taxes to the government because the SS#'s are bogus~~~~now you know our great government is aware of this~~~~so where does the money go???

Again this is false most are hired with a private contractor filing and then become responsible for thier own taxes which of course they do not pay.



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, May 17, 2006 03:02

LadyDragon write:
Dirty Biker...I have done my homework...I live in an area where there are aproximately 10,000 illegals in an area with an official population of 7,000.
Aside from living in a heavely populated immigrant area, and seeing the results...I read alot and study the facts before stating opinions...and my opinion is all this is.....Yes the immigrants here are proud of their country of orgin, however most of them are also proud and grateful to be in the United States....just because the few who are disrespectful are the ones that get the attention does not make it reality for the majority...if you take that line of thought then one must assume that ALL bikers are drug runners, outlaws and generally bad people.....one must learn to look at the bigger picture.

Just to touch on one more issue about illegals...if they could get here legally (everyone seems to think it is so simple)they would...it is not as simple as one thinks, their government does not want the people coming here....and our government does not want them coming, so getting a visa is a very difficult thing.....do you have any clue what it cost in US dollars for a person to be smuggled into the states??? Anywhere from 3,000.00 to 10,000.00 US dollars...and more...then they have to buy fake documentation.....and that is a couple of 1000.....these people work and slave harder then most of us will ever have to work just for a chance to live in what we as Americans consider poverty......and it is a big step up for them.....and a great opportunity for their children.....and BTW not all of the immigrants of the past came here legally.....and not all of them came here free...my Great Grandmother came to this country as an indentured servant (just a step above a slave) so she could have a better life.....her parents basically had her smuggled into the states.....she was 3 years old.......and was a servant in the home of the family until she was grown and could marry an american. My Great great grandfather on my fathers side came to this country on a ship transporting prisioners of war ..this is why our name is not listed at Ellis Island.....we came through the back door too.....That is what America is, a place for those who are looking for a better life to run.....

I see it everyday.......and these people are not taking jobs from our kids or anyone......here are a few facts:

What kinds of jobs do the undocumented workers hold?

They make up a large share of all workers in a few more detailed occupational categories, including 24% of all workers employed in farming jobs, 17% in cleaning, 36% in insulation installation, 29% in roofing and drywall installation, 27% of butchers and other food processing. (All figures refer to March 2005.)

Are undocumented workers taking jobs away from U.S. citizens?

While some portion of the undocumented immigrant workforce receives jobs that would otherwise be filled by citizens and documented non-citizens, undocumented workers also create jobs by their presence as consumers in the U.S. It has been difficult for economists to weigh out the various factors, but one of the most obvious indicators, the unemployment rate, does not correlate with key changes in immigration. In fact, the unemployment rate over the last 25 years has moved in cycles that demonstrate a comparatively lower unemployment rate during the most recent (2000-2005) influx of undocumented workers.



again just my opinion....and I want to thank you for making me think.....I enjoy that!!!! *grin*

Now go look up who makes up 90% of our prison population and where most of the gang activities originated from. Look up where most of the illegal drugs sold in this country come from, go look up the welfare systems enrollment sheets and give me the statistics on the who makes up over 60% medi-cal, dental, cash grants food stamps etc....

Now go look up the percentage of accidents by unisured motorists... tell me what nationality makes up most of these statistics cause I already know. I was an officer for the sheriff's dept for 7 yrs and i can tell you its mostly hispanics. either illegaly here or born to illegal parents.

People do not appreciate what they do not earn.. You do not see many asian, european, italian, russian, canadian, irish, dutch, east indian etc etc.. criminals in this country. Why is that you ask?? Because most of them came here legally.. Some even came by boats and lived in immigration camps for two or three years. They learned our laws and they became AMERICANS. They respect, appreciate our infastructure understanding that it is what makes our country great.

My grandmother had a saying, "Charity begins at home." If you are hurting your own to help others then it is wrong.

Our unemployment rate may not be too high but illegal workers uoset our economy and raise inflation and taxes. Most of the jobs you listed pay good. However, if you read even further into your statistics you would discover that many many of the hard working illegals do not even spend thier money in our country. They are sending it to family in Mexico and living grouped to gether in some poor property owners rental.

A fine example of charity gone bad is the Welfare System.. People ONLY appreciate what is eraned.. You teach them that its ok to break our immigration laws then why would they ever respect any others??

One more note about your false documents, Many many of the illegals in our country came here to hide for something that they had done in thier own country... America with its weak immigration laws provides a really nice hiding place. Not to mention the diseases that people bring to our country. Legal immigrants get checked by doctors before they are allowed our freedoms. It keeps disease from spreading.. etc.

I could go on and on and on and on.. but you think its all a party and we can just open our borders and sing kum bye ya or some crap. I forgive you because its your democratic conditioning from your comfy living room that affords you that attitude. When you can tell me how we are gonna pay for it all then I will listen to ya.

Just hope you dont wake up one day and that living room has turned into a soup kitchen line or a shelter line to get out of the cold.



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Veröffentlicht am Tue, May 16, 2006 01:16

LadyDragon write:
Unless you are 100% Native American (American Indian) you are an immigrant......this country was built on immigrants.....I do agree that those choosing to move to this country should learn the language and should have respect for our the US......however I believe that people learn from example.....we as Americans pitch a holy hell fit when someone comes here and disrespects our home, however Americans seem to have no problem going to other countries and being disrespectful.

Then there are the major companies that hire the illegals......the government turns a blind eye. They know the immigrants are there working with fake documents.....the companies hire illegals....first because they can....and it is profitable..not because they pay the illegals alot less but because all the tax dollars that are being taken from their checks with the bogus social security numbers have to go somewhere...and where do you think it goes???? These people do the jobs that Americans think they are too good to do.......they work hard.....and all they want is to live the American Dream.........think about it...it wasn't so long ago that the Irish were thought of in similar fashion.....and what about the Jews......they were considered a blight on American Society......These people are not taking from us.......they are only picking up the garbage that we don't want to deal with.....if we run off all the immigrants who is gonna process the chicken we eat????? *grin*

*sitting in the corner waiting for the rotten veggies to start flying at me*

Oh and BTW... You commented that Americans have no problem disrespecting other countries?? We pay a huge price for fighting our causes.. If Mexico wants to try to come over here and kick our arssess then so be it. If they win its thiers rightfully!! We shed the blood of our children for what we have, and don't you ever forget it!! Noone ever gave us shit!!

My grandfather was almost completely deaf from the Battle of The Buldge, My father saw most of his friends come home in bodybags in Vietnam and my son in-law may have children with birth defects due to the Anthrax vacination that he was forced to take. My daughter knows enough about Intel to give her nightmares for the rest of her life and my 18 yr old son will be enlisting in June. I don't have no bleeding heart for this crap!! FREEDOM is not FREE!! We pay for it with our blood and our childrens blood. To simply allow these immigrants to come here and shit on our laws is a slap in the face to the men and women that fought for us!! I am ashamed of my country for allowing it to get this bad and you should be too because one day it will be someone you love bleeding for us!!



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Veröffentlicht am Tue, May 16, 2006 01:01

LadyDragon write:
Unless you are 100% Native American (American Indian) you are an immigrant......this country was built on immigrants.....I do agree that those choosing to move to this country should learn the language and should have respect for our the US......however I believe that people learn from example.....we as Americans pitch a holy hell fit when someone comes here and disrespects our home, however Americans seem to have no problem going to other countries and being disrespectful.

Then there are the major companies that hire the illegals......the government turns a blind eye. They know the immigrants are there working with fake documents.....the companies hire illegals....first because they can....and it is profitable..not because they pay the illegals alot less but because all the tax dollars that are being taken from their checks with the bogus social security numbers have to go somewhere...and where do you think it goes???? These people do the jobs that Americans think they are too good to do.......they work hard.....and all they want is to live the American Dream.........think about it...it wasn't so long ago that the Irish were thought of in similar fashion.....and what about the Jews......they were considered a blight on American Society......These people are not taking from us.......they are only picking up the garbage that we don't want to deal with.....if we run off all the immigrants who is gonna process the chicken we eat????? *grin*

*sitting in the corner waiting for the rotten veggies to start flying at me*

I think you have missed the point.. NOONE is against immigration, Obviously our country is so great because of it. However, the other nationalities you are referring to immigrated here legally and so do many others as we speak. I thought as you do for a very long time until I really investigated this issue. Illegals do not help our country in any way shape or form. They create chaos and deficiet. By far they cost way more than produce and then they have children who are by birth legally here. Now another dillema what do we do with illegal parents who have naturalize citizens as children? We have to change the laws so that it is not profitable to be here illegally. You say they take the jobs Americans will not do? That is a falacy, they take the jobs that our children out of high school or on summer vacation need to help put them through school and teach them good work ethics. Thier cheap labor also creates an imbalance in our economy. Inflation would even out if it costs a minimum wage to pick our produce. Its a vicious circle. In NO WAY, not even ONe does having ILLEGALs working and living in our country benefit any American!! Quite the contrary!! Do your homework.



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Veröffentlicht am Mon, May 15, 2006 12:37

HarleyChic1 write:
HOLY SH!T!!! Don't even get me started on this.

They should ship there sorry azzez out of this county. I'm am so sick of the Bull Sh!t!!!

<< No one is stopping immigrants from coming to America and becoming a citizen - I'm all for people wanting to come here to make a better life for themselves, BUT come here legally and abide by the American Laws and Rules. "Apply for your Visa and come in legally and then become an American citizen and you won't have a problem."

<< This is America - SPEAK ENGLISH OR GET THE FUK OUT!!! We speak "ENGLISH" in this country "NOT Spanish."

Why should we just cater to the Spanish only? This is such Bull Sh!T
"There are Nationalities from all over the world here in America, and we all had learned how to SPEAK ENGLISH."

What the hell makes them so special? My family came here from Italy - I am the 2nd generation here in America. My whole family came here legally and they all because American citizens, they all worked and paid taxes, and they all had to learn to speak English. No one went out of there way to help them.

It is not fair to the rest of the people here in American of all Nationalities that everything is in Spanish.

<< If you work in America "YOU MUST PAY TAX." All Americans pay tax, and if you work here and Earn American Dollars you MUST PAY like the rest of us. "CITIZEN OR NOT you MUST PAY TAXES."

<< IF YOUR NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN - "YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY"!!

****WAKE UP PEOPLE***
**** "DON'T JUST SIT BACK AND LET THESE PEOPLE TAKE OUR RIGHTS AWAY!!!"****

Millions of Men and Women fought and gave there lives for our rights and the freedom we have here today in America, and your just guna sit back and let all these illegal aliens take that away from us. COME ON PEOPLE FIGHT BACK!!


I could go on and on, Cause this subject gets me going. If I have to, I'd go out and protest and march against these people.


Do you think it's right and fair for these people to come to this country illegally? They work here off the books, they send the money to there country TAX FREE, they collect welfare "which comes from the American Tax Payers money -- which all American's pay for," they get free medical, they get housing, they don't pay tax, they send there kids to our schools which the American Tax Payers Pay For and they don't have to learn to speak English. Now you as an American have to learn to speak Spanish. WTF is up with that???

They protest and want rights here, then they take the American flag down put there flag (the Mexican flag)up and put the American flag up under there flag upside-down.

"COME ON PEOPLE OPEN YOUR EYES"

We have American Citizens right here that are homeless, with no jobs & without food and in need and they don't get the help these Illegal Immigrants are getting.

Start writing you politicians, congress, the president - See how they rally for what they want? Well, ALL Americans should start sticking together and fight for our rights as Americans.

WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS AS AMERICAN CITIZENS - Everyone is so afraid about offending OTHER PEOPLE and there beliefs. "WHAT ABOUT US? "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE" - We have beliefs and rights, but no one cares if they offend us.

IF THOSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HOW WE RUN THIS COUNTRY, AND OUR RIGHTS AND BELIEFS & OUR RULES - THEN THEY CAN JUST GET THE FUK OUT OF THIS COUNTY.

If anyone has anything to add "BRING IT ON!!"

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T REALLY GIVE A FUK IF I OFFENDED ANYONE !!

This is America and I'm voicing my right to "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

Im with you Harleychic!! I used to be all for the illegals until I really examined this situation recently. I was wrong!! Dead wrong!!

All other nationalities came here legally and became citizens legally, they earned thier place in our society, they became AMERICANS!! That is completely different from this. These illegals are trying to force us to do things thier way. They have no respect for our laws and if no respect for our laws then of course, no respect for our country or our people. How dare they raise thier flag on top of ours in our own country??? Its time we enforce our laws and quit supporting those who come here illegally. Either come here lawfully or be prosecuted like the criminals that they are. Noone that is not a citizen should have any rights here!! NONE!! Not the freedom of speech, not the right to pursue happiness, not equality, NOTHING, Not ONE RIGHT AT ALL!!



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Veröffentlicht am Mon, May 15, 2006 12:29

WestsideFred write:
Well this is my plan we bring all the troops home and put them on the border.Then we clear out all these dam prisoners that we feed and house for the rest of there lives and send them over to fight this so called war.Then we take all the money we waste on housing prisoners and put it back into the social security system and hospitalization and schools.I'm tired of all this bullsheet companies should be taxed higher everytime they send American jobs over seas.I have had to pay taxes ever since I started working and all these idiots come over here and pay none.Yea I know I'm rambling but I'm dam tired of it all.If you come to this country you speak our language and pay taxes like everyone else.My grandfather and many other men and women fought and died for our rights.We spend so much time worrying about so called democracy in other countries while America slowly becomes a third world country right before our very eyes.And what really pisses me off is all these companies that say buy American while they send all the work out of the country.Ask any HD dealer why every piece of leather hanging in there showroom why it says made in China.You get there standard answer ITS A WORLD MARKET. B FRIGGIN SSSSS!The one thing I notice in every place I deliver to is when someone is asked to do something a lot of times the answer is ITS NOT MY JOB.Well lets get it together folks and work as a team because next time you say its not my job just remember it will be someone elses soon.I'm kind of fond of speaking English and in no way shape or form want to learn a new language.Its time we stick together and put a stop to this first off by getting rid of this joke of a so called president and his buddies that make millions off of this oil scam.If you dont like what I have to say tough I still have freedom of speech.And just one more thing.All these Illegals are out protesting in big groups bring in the trucks pick them up and ship them home!

I volunteer to drive!!!

  


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Veröffentlicht am Mon, May 15, 2006 11:54

Oh Boyo.......

I have been reading a lot about this over the last few weeks.

There are active organizations with one goal in mind: take back the land that Mexico lost to the US. Turn it into a Mexican extension. Kick the gringos to the curb.

Illegal? Go home, and come back in thru proper channels, learn English, earn, save and spend in the USA. Don't send it all home to Mehico.

Old diseases are becoming a real problem in our schools due to illegals and a lack of immunization. These strains are more aggressive, what with the mutations and all.

I have lotsa links with relaible hard data, but bk will delete them. Please email if you want more info.

The bottom line: If WE do not do something, no one will. The Politicians need those pro-illegal, Mehican votes to flourish and we have been allowing our country to be over-run. I have NOTHING against legals, but I am pizzed at what I see happening to our country. I vote, that gives me a voice. I write letters.
Every letter counts as... what is it (100) people's voices?

It goes on and on...business loans, jobs, etc. We help others and we get screwed_big time. Single white males have the hardest time of anyone...

It is time we back off and take care of our own. Our coffers have been emptied into the hands of terrorists, drug lords and other countries 'in need'.
We have loaned billions (they don't pay us back)..and owe more.

utoh_ going off-topic here. lol.

Lets' cover OUR azzes and close up the borders. Let's be smart and choose to take care of our own, like Switzerland?

End of vent.

DD

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Veröffentlicht am Sat, May 13, 2006 23:05

Well this is my plan we bring all the troops home and put them on the border.Then we clear out all these dam prisoners that we feed and house for the rest of there lives and send them over to fight this so called war.Then we take all the money we waste on housing prisoners and put it back into the social security system and hospitalization and schools.I'm tired of all this bullsheet companies should be taxed higher everytime they send American jobs over seas.I have had to pay taxes ever since I started working and all these idiots come over here and pay none.Yea I know I'm rambling but I'm dam tired of it all.If you come to this country you speak our language and pay taxes like everyone else.My grandfather and many other men and women fought and died for our rights.We spend so much time worrying about so called democracy in other countries while America slowly becomes a third world country right before our very eyes.And what really pisses me off is all these companies that say buy American while they send all the work out of the country.Ask any HD dealer why every piece of leather hanging in there showroom why it says made in China.You get there standard answer ITS A WORLD MARKET. B FRIGGIN SSSSS!The one thing I notice in every place I deliver to is when someone is asked to do something a lot of times the answer is ITS NOT MY JOB.Well lets get it together folks and work as a team because next time you say its not my job just remember it will be someone elses soon.I'm kind of fond of speaking English and in no way shape or form want to learn a new language.Its time we stick together and put a stop to this first off by getting rid of this joke of a so called president and his buddies that make millions off of this oil scam.If you dont like what I have to say tough I still have freedom of speech.And just one more thing.All these Illegals are out protesting in big groups bring in the trucks pick them up and ship them home!



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Veröffentlicht am Sat, May 13, 2006 19:30

When I call my bank, why should I have to press #2 to speak English?
Assembly instructions for an American product came in Spanish only???????

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Veröffentlicht am Sat, May 13, 2006 16:32

On a Box of Puffs purchased today....

Im confused here..Bought a box of Puffs tissue and this is whats on the box.

NON LOTION WHITE FACIAL TISSUE
MOUCHOIRS BLANCS SANS LOTION
PANUELOS FACIALES BLANCOS
DESECHARBLES SIN LOCION

216 2-PLY TISSUES/MOUCHOIRS 2 EPAISSEURS PANUELOS DE HOJA DOBLE 21.3 cm X 20.8 cm (8.4IN/PO/PLG X 8.2IN/PO/PLG)

UMM WHAT DOES THIS ALL SAY TO ME?
MAKES IT HARD TO COMPARE ONE BRAND FROM ANOTHER?

So am I upset here? Ur damn right I am..

  


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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Apr 27, 2006 10:24

oh man don't even get me started on all this bullsh!t !!
i am so sick of this country rolling over on it's own people to appease everyone else.
i will stop there.



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Veröffentlicht am Thu, Apr 27, 2006 06:00

AMEN, DirtyBikers.

Some folks don't appreciate or respect what they have. I fought for the right to live freely in this country and I would never live anyplace else. But it seems that the war is being fought (and lost) from the inside out ...



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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Apr 26, 2006 13:02

This is how they show thier love for our country that they fight so hard to live in!

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Veröffentlicht am Wed, Apr 26, 2006 13:02

22,000 students walked out in the Los Angeles area and this is what they did!

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